Carisella

the Noffsinger bibliography lists a revised edition of "Who killed the Red Baron" DATED 1979.
Carisella,Pasquale, Ryan.

I've tried several libraries but they can't identify this edition. Does it exist?

andy

Mine has a copyright date of 1969. Judging from the sorry state of my copy, I bet my father must have bought it in '69.

I dont know when Carisella died or what he could have added to the original publication, as it was quite extensive and concluded with near certainty that Popkin and his mate Rupert Weston did the dirty deed.

Looking a little more carefully, I see that the 1969 version was published by Daedalus Publishing Co., and that the same book was later done by the Avon Printing Co., with a first printing there in Nov '79.

I don't think there is much new info in the later edition.The older edition has many more photos.

Greetings Andy: Pat Carisella is dead. He had a vast correspondence with the participants in the MvR shootdown of 21 Sept 18. He actually went to Bertangles where MvR was buried; actually had the grave opened, and actually took the lower parts of MvR's skelton to Paris to present to the German air attache ) shortly before the war). Carisella said that MvR was buried upside down; that is with his feet toward the cross. In his book he said that the German air attache never let him know what hte did with the bones, which he said were the leg bones. It must be said that Carisella did this exhumation after the Germans had gone there in about 1915, but he claims the Gs did not do a thorough job because of the reversal of the wooden coffin which was collapsed at the foot end and when the good part of the coffin was lifted, the leg bones were in the soiled and consequently not retrieved.
The version I had was a paperback dated about 1960. William Burrows (Richthofen: A True History of the Red Baron) Harcourt Brace 1969, mentions Carisella (pp 241-244) and a Charles Donald, who collected Richthofen memorabilia, but he has no good words for these collectors: "Hero worship brings new meaning to dull and emotionally barren lives and even sets standards for a few to follow so they too may become heroes." I think Burrows is wrong about heroes and hero worship; that these people do not lead dull and barren lives. What he should be denouncing are the politicians who conspire to force men to bear against the biblical injunction: "Thou shalt not kill." A hero is any person who puts his life on the line and just about everyman who served in WWI was a hero, and out of the 60 million that served there was really no need to call attention to any group within that group. It was the English who made a legend of the Red Baron, just as it was the British 8th Army who made a hero of Rommel, soldiers who sang Lili Marlene. In the long term, I would rather worship heroes, whom the modern press routinely denigrate as unbalanced, sadistic, etc. than the 'neo-heroes' in the political and sports world who have press agents and reporters to inflate the narrow trades they follow.
Somebody in the forum might know what happened to Carrisella's and Donald's papers and effects: A good research project for some who has the time. Billy H. 1 May 2000.

Does anyone know what became of Carisella's impressive MvR collectors item after PJ's death?