ATTN: John L. (no air content people, sorry!)

Give it up folks. You cannot open the mind of someone who prefers to keep it closed. S.Skinner must be from Kansas. He should take a look at Quantum theory. That should really set his teeth on edge and drive him straight up the wall.

[mike_baram]

....and the Earth, which is only 5761 years old according to the Old Testament, was struck twice by large meteorites: one hit 250,000,000 years ago, and one hit 65,000,000 years ago. But what's math to a fundamenalist?
I need more coffee.

OK, time for me to dip my toe in the water! I don't confess to knowing all the ins and outs of science, in fact I know very little, but I do know this. I believe that the Earth and everything in it was created in 6 days by God. You may think that to be a little naive but for a start, noone has been able to provide any evidence to the contrary. I know I may be sticking my head on the proverbial chopping block with that comment, but I stand by it. I've read all of the links on this question and people keep talking about the evidence for Evolution. I challenge anyone to tell me what the evidence is. It's all fair and good to say "scientists say there is evidence", but my sceptical mind (and it IS sceptical) needs a little more than that. Particularly in light of the fact that so many of you kept saying that science changes with new evidence. " A work in progress" if you will ( before anyone starts, I know that noone said it in those words, the words are mine, but am I wrong in saying so?). I'll just add one more thing at this point. Am I right in saying that Evolution states that the life we see today slowly evolved from single cells? Doesn't anyone see the problems with this alone? For that to happen, there would have to be mutations all the way up to the present day, right? Well since when hasve mutations "created" new information? I'm of the school that thinks mutations cause "loss" of information, not gain. Again, I could be wrong. Please tell me if I am, my shoulders are broad enough!

Well that's all for now. I hope people are still reading this link (it's a big'un now!). I'm only stating what I believe in. I don't force my opinions on others, I just stand up for them. I don't want to fall out with anyone. I enjoy this website and I am thankful for all the answers people have given me to my questions and I want it to continue. But please feel free to reprimand me if you think I'm out of line or even out of touch with reality with what I've written. I'm more than happy to carry on with this endless debate.

Thanks for your time

OK, time for me to dip my toe in the water! I don't confess to knowing all the ins and outs of science, in fact I know very little, but I do know this. I believe that the Earth and everything in it was created in 6 days by God. You may think that to be a little naive but for a start, noone has been able to provide any evidence to the contrary. I know I may be sticking my head on the proverbial chopping block with that comment, but I stand by it. I've read all of the links on this question and people keep talking about the evidence for Evolution. I challenge anyone to tell me what the evidence is. It's all fair and good to say "scientists say there is evidence", but my sceptical mind (and it IS sceptical) needs a little more than that. Particularly in light of the fact that so many of you kept saying that science changes with new evidence. " A work in progress" if you will ( before anyone starts, I know that noone said it in those words, the words are mine, but am I wrong in saying so?). I'll just add one more thing at this point. Am I right in saying that Evolution states that the life we see today slowly evolved from single cells? Doesn't anyone see the problems with this alone? For that to happen, there would have to be mutations all the way up to the present day, right? Well since when have mutations "created" new information? I'm of the school that think mutations cause "loss" of information, not gain. Again, I could be wrong. Please tell me if I am, my shoulders are broad enough!

Well that's all for now. I hope people are still reading this link (it's a big'un now!). I'm only stating what I believe in. I don't force my opinions on others, I just stand up for them. I don't want to fall out with anyone. I enjoy this website and I am thankful for all the answers people have given me to my questions and I want it to continue. But please feel free to reprimand me if you think I'm out of line or even out of touch with reality with what I've written. I'm more than happy to carry on with this endless debate.

Thanks for your time

oops, sorry! Didn't mean to send it twice!

Nick wrote:

"OK, time for me to dip my toe in the water! I don't confess to knowing all the ins and outs of science, in fact I know very little, but I do know this. I believe that the Earth and everything in it was created in 6 days by God. You may think that to be a little naive but for a start, no one has been able to provide any evidence to the contrary."

Let's see if I have this straight, you start off by advertising your ignorance of science and go on to state that you KNOW God did it in 6 days and that NO ONE has been able to provide any evidence to the contrary.

OK…so am I supposed to argue you out of your incredibly limited perspective?? Ah the hell with it - just kick back Nick and enjoy your stay in the Matrix!

Barkhorn has left the building (if it even really exists).

[stephen]

Nick, I'm afraid you underestimate the obscene arrogance required to be a hard-core member of the evolutionary faith. You are not permitted to, for example, say... "I can neither prove nor disprove your theory, but I prefer to interpret the evidence differently than you and rely on another theory instead."

That sort of rationality is not permitted. It is replaced with disrespectful comments about your origin, your ignorance, or your lack of education. It seeks to censor your beliefs and any supportive evidence from the scientific and educational community, all the while accusing you of having a closed mind. Recognition of any other theory is unthinkable. Recognition that evolution is also a theory is even more unthinkable. Their religion constantly redefines itself every time its disproved rather than accept the possibility that its fundamental theory could be wrong, and anyone who dares to question its absolute authority is to be demeaned as an uneducated dimwit. Use these terms constantly: Science, quantum, limited perspective, ignorant, science, probabilities, science, close minded. Never, EVER use these terms: Radiocarbon dating, second law of thermodynamics, Lucy, open system tendencies, design, hominids, fossil or Neandertal.

And above all, always ask "HOW did evolution occur?" Never, never, under any circumstances are you to ask "DID evolution occur?"

To expect ANY recognition, no matter how far-fetched, of creationism or ANY other theory of origin is to misunderstand the entire religion of evolution. They, and only they, will define acceptable science. Their inability to recognize that anyone else could be right is surpassed only by their knowledge that you are wrong. Study their words and look for the slightest hint of clear, unbiased open mindedness... and good luck.

Stephen @ Nick:

You miss the point. No one is tryng to deny you the right to believe any damn thing you want. If your happy with Genesis, creationism, the tooth fairy and Santa Claus, it's fine with those of us who know better. Just quit trying to promote your fairy tales as fact on our schools, and we'll get along just fine.

Eric:

Man, it amazes me how some people can believe inTOTALLY irrational events, presences, etc. And even when you give them solid proof otherwise you get either;
1. Screw you, I have faith and you don't - or-
2. Screw you, that's just your opinion -or, most annoyingly,
3. Screw you, there is no objective truth anyway, so there.

It's a zero sum game w/ these people.

Regards,
Barkhorn.

[stephen]

Mr. Tucker -

As you well know, creationists aren't trying to teach their theories as fact in public schools. They do, however, want all theories of human origin taught equally - as theories - without censorship.

Which may well bring us to a point of agreement. As an evolutionist, do you want your faith to rely, or appear to rely, on censorship for its propogation? From what you've said, even a child could see that your theories are superior and only a fool would believe anyone else's, right? So logic would seem to dictate that you would actually WANT all theories to be taught side by side, so that the clear truth of your opinions would shine by comparison and the world could see that only an uneducated believer in Santa Claus could possibly disagree. And it also keeps you out of the awkward position of relying on blatent censorship to force your ideology on the public. Think about it... if your beliefs are correct, then you only stand to gain by a unobstructed comparison in an open arena of thought... right? And instead of forcing people to agree with you by censoring and demonizing everyone else, your beliefs will rise to the top on their own merit, and the only way for that to happen is by teaching all theories equally and letting people see how intellectually superior your opinions are. Surely we can agree on that? After all, who needs Nazi tactics if you're right?! Step forward, join me and other open minded people and help stop government sponsored censorship... will you do that?