Albatros CL Type?

musec · 20 April 2019, 10:17 AM

Hello All,

Currently for sale on ebay at :

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Foto-1-WK-Fl...4AAOSwX1JcuJ3l

is a photograph of a machine captioned by the seller as an Albatros CL. I believe that the serial shown is C 1114/18 which is certainly new to me. I believe that the seller has correctly identified the machine and I have a gap in the serial range between C.1112/18 to C.1114/18 so can anyone confirm that this is an Albatros and has anyone any of the other two machines C.1112/18 or C.1113/18. The seller has among several interesting photos another machine captioned Albatros CL. But I can't see a serial.

Regards,

Clint

josef scott · 20 April 2019, 05:17 PM

Hi Clint,

Thanks for pointing these out.
As the seller has tagged a Halb CLII with the same description, I'd definitely take it with a large grain of salt.

josef

musec · 21 April 2019, 12:29 AM

Hi Josef,

Thanks for the warning. With regard to the machine without a serial you are definitely correct. I've just looked through WDF 27 and there is the same photo of that machine. Its captioned as undergoing Typenprufung.

However C.1114/18 is interesting. It may not be an Albatros but doesn't look like either a Halberstadt CL.II or CL.IV given the tail shape and the straight wing struts, so hopefully someone can provide a definitive ID.

Something I do find unusual about C.1114 is the tail and fuselage crosses which look to date from an earlier period than 1918.

Regards,

Clint

richard B · 21 April 2019, 07:08 AM

It has something common with the Halberstadt CIX ... (Undercarriage ,four bays wings )

musec · 21 April 2019, 08:17 AM

Hello Richard,

Yes, it does look quite like the Halberstadt C.IX. Also checking my Grosz,Haddow, Schiemer I see that two were built, so a possibility that C.1113/18 was also the same type.

My concern with the ID as a Halberstadt C.IX would be that C.1114/18 preceeds by some distance any known Halberstadt C.V serial. Also would aircraft built specifically for A-H have German serials. Finally as far as I can tell the tail cross on the photo of the C.IX is in the late war style. See :

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/othe...8/halbc8-4.jpg

Still when all is said and done the ebay photo does look a lot more like a Halberstadt design than a Albatros.

Regards,

Clint

musec · 21 April 2019, 09:43 AM

Hello All,

The Ago C.VIII/1 looks somewhat simialar:

http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/othe...c8/agoc8-1.jpg

assuming a correct ID by the site.

Regards,

Clint

richard B · 21 April 2019, 10:29 AM

You are right : it is the AGO C IX (alias C VIII/2) :

https://www.sdtb.findbuch.net/php/vi...e3e3edc739f13f