Color of Undercarriage Wing on LvR's 154/17?

[melsharkskin]

Can anyone shed light on this? Would the upper surface of this airfoil be in the green/brown streak, or would it have been red to match the rest of the undercarriage, the wheels and struts? I can't seem to find any photos of Lothar von Richthofen's much-photographed 154/17 that give me the definitive answer. BTW, I assume the underside color on this and the rest of the a/c is light blue, or would it be Fokker turquoise?
Many thanks,
TOM

[Laserlloyd]

The problem lies in your question. Dr.I 154/17 was dispatched to the air depot on December 13th and then estimated to take about two weeks before Jasta 11 would have flown it back to their airfield. There is no account on who flow 154/17.

Now if your talking about 454/17 in which Ltn. Lothar von Richthofen did fly and crashed due to upper wing failure on March 13 1918, then we know that.

MIKHAIL BYKOV Fokker Dr.I 454/17
TODD COMEAU Fokker Dr.I 454/17
I just got Bob Preason illustrations that I'm working currently working on now.

I'm a little confused by your question be cause you "Would the upper surface of this airfoil be in the green/brown streak, or would it have been red to match the rest of the undercarriage" the upper surface of the top wing has been suggested to have been yellow and the mid and lower wings were in the Fokker factory streaking. The undercarriage? are you referring to the bottom surfaces of the axle wing? The underside of the wings and fuselage were Fokker turquoise Methuen 22 B 3.5 (Alan D. Toelle) or Methuen 24A5 (Dan-San Abbott).

As far as I know there wasn't any red on the underside or undercarriage as you state it.

There are two people that have studied this plane a lot and they would be Greg Van Wyngarden and Dan-San Abbott. As the true color of the whole plane is 100% not known some of it may be up to interpretation.

In Windsock-Von Richthofen's Flying Circus on page 52 Greg Van Wyngarden has 4 different photos from the crash site. So there are at lest 4 but there might be more.

Lloyd...

[melsharkskin]

Yes, my mistake: I was typing too hastily and not looking at my source material carefully enough. The a/c is, of course, the well-known 454, not 154.

And my use of "undercarriage" has to do with too many years writing for magazines in the UK. However, I defend my use of the term "wing" for the airfoil because enough reputable historians/aerodynamicists have referred to this surface as contributing to the aircraft's lift to a greater or lesser degree, and using their arguments, qualifies as a fraction of a wing.

In fact, we have all, I think, at least once seen the Fokker Tripe referred to as a 3 1/2-wing aircraft, though personally I think that's carrying things a bit too far, and is irrelevant here anyway. (And yes, I have also seen the arguments against this "partial wing" theory which consider the Dr.I's lower airfoil as nothing more than a tarted-up spreader bar.)

I also should have made it clear that I was using Eduard's interpretation of the paint scheme, in which they show the wheel covers and the wheel struts as being red, along with the cowling and wing struts, but offer no color for the airfoil. They do show the upper wing as yellow, like the aft fuselage, and the center and lower wings as streaked.

I've gotten into the habit when posting on Aerodrome of trying to avoid anything referring to models or modeling in threads outside of the model heading. In this case, it might have helped to state the source since the Eduard scheme is doubtless a guess, and one likely biased by aesthetic considerations. Now I'm beginning to doubt some of the other red on this rendering, such as that on the main struts.

Now I'm well and truly confused.

Thanks for the help, Lloyd.
TOM