Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #1401

[Rbailey]

Another watercraft for your enjoyment.



Scoreboard after Challenge #1400: Dayton Wright DH4 ( nine hour cruiser )

255.60 Dave_Kent ☼☼☼
218.50 Rbailey ☼☼☼
153.40 Varese2002 ☼☼☼
79.60 richard B ☼☼
57.30 Aquilius ☼☼
46.60 Tork1945 ☼
39.45 Lodzermensch ☼
33.30 Cruze ☼
32.00 YavorD ☼
30.58 Rod Filan ☼
24.95 Froggy
19.50 Albrecht
19.20 Breguet
18.50 Missouri Mule
16.90 Flamingo
11.90 Brad
11.50 matte_kudasai
10.45 GregE
10.30 Patrick
09.80 Alex1965
09.70 Dan-San
09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
09.20 Rufe
08.50 Doc
08.40 JohnMacG
07.70 Berman
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.25 Ermeio
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.40 John McKenzie
06.30 HoHun
06.10 Jim
06.10 '14-'18aviationcollector
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
06.00 Old Man
06.00 Sobrien
05.80 RobW
05.70 vossiewulf
05.70 AROTH
05.70 dpolglaze
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.40 RAF56_Ball
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.20 Maze
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 AL FORBES
05.00 Catfish
05.00 Kristjanr
05.00 machinist
05.00 SCMc
05.00 Tom L ................. Above this line, have to wait 12 hours

04.40 Ross Moorhouse .... Below this line, may start immediately
04.40 RC Gardner
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
04.00 Luf-Rick
04.00 Pfalz-Scout
03.00 Linhawk
03.00 Lupodimontenero
03.00 Totalspoon
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.30 Cigogne
02.30 ckingh5
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 albatros1234
02.00 austin08
02.00 Expositor
02.00 Misa2
02.00 Rickenbaron
01.70 Kilian
01.60 airplane176
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.50 TimothySielbeck
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 AWP101
01.50 MickMcGrath
01.00 redbaron1917
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Mike Westrop
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.90 Stig Jarlevik
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 Mad Mac
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 Doug las7
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Johnnick
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fish

Previous: http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=63611
and http://members.shaw.ca/flyingaces/br.challenge/

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1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918 - Breguet's Aircraft Challenge - when in doubt !) and the poster re-post within the same thread, the 12hours handicap beginning from that point.
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11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET. In cases where the arbitrator's game answer is in question the decision rests with the current leader of the table.

[Rbailey]

Something of a hybrid.

[Dave_Kent]

Wings from a (?) fitted to the hull from a (?) ?

If so, the hull may be from a Curtiss E

Dave

[Rbailey]

Can't say the builder showed a great deal of design originality here.

[RAF56_Ball]

Based on the rounded rudder, two bay wings (sort of standard for Curtiss I think) and the secondary inter-wing ailerons and flat sloped nose, I would say it is the 1912 Curtiss flying boat, Model 'F'.

[RAF56_Ball]

Hmm, the challenge picture does appear to have a ventral fin at the rear that I don't see in the image I posted for comparison. Variant?

[Rbailey]

While the hull has its origins that could be attributed to a Curtiss, the machine has an identity of its own.

[Dave_Kent]

This may be the Ecker Flying Boat, built by Herman Ecker of Syracuse NY about 1912. It strongly resembles the Curtiss flying boats. It was flown until 1915 / 1916, disassembled and later restored by the NASM.

Dave

[RAF56_Ball]

So let's suppose what I called interwing (flying) ailerons were the horizontal stab from an odd perspective, still rounded tail, noticably waspwaisted aft fuselage (just noted the water where I thought I was seeing hull). How about a Curtiss Tadpole. I was thinking it might the the Tractor F Spoonbill, but egine here is too small, and the TFS seems to hav little if any slope to the foredeck.

Even if wrong, this one has been particular fun because of it's similarity to so many other flying boats!

[Rbailey]

Not Ecker, and not Curtiss (although the hull was).