Standard J-1 Drawings
 

Hi Guys,

I'm currently making ("WIP") very detailed structural drawings for the 1917 American manufactured Standard J-1 training airplane, with focus on the post-war Hisso engine "Barnstorming" version. Progress is about halfway done.

These scale plans would be suitable for very accurate and detailed models in any scale ranging from plastic models to large R/C flying versions. I'm wondering how to market my plans so as to be available for sale? Any suggestions?

Also, I'm always looking for more J-1 research material in the form of drawings and photos, so any help here would also be much appreciated.

I'm doing an upcoming photo shoot at the Yanks Air Museum in Chino, CA of their restored J-1 on display without fabric. Very helpful!

Thanks,
Gary Sewall
garysewall@aol.com
Gipsy Moth | Home

Here's a sample 'WIP' drawing of the detail level that I want to represent in my Standard J-1 drawings. It's a comparison showing rudder differences between production vs post-war designs. The enlarged rudder was to improve turning ability, especially for the more powerful "Hisso" Standard J-1:

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps647a6760.jpg

More to come...

Gary Sewall
garysewall@aol.com
www.gipsymoth.com

Any reason why they designed for the post-war Standard J-1 a somewhat larger rudder? Had the smaller rudder steering problems ? And if so why wait a year / two year to make a modification which was actually realized post-war ?

It was just a thought that occurred to me when I saw your very detailed drawing. It looks great.

Tork1945

Background: The 1917 production Standard J-1 was powered by a 100HP Hall-Scott, Type A7-a engine. This engine developed a bad reputation for poor reliability, excessive vibration and engine fires. Not popular as a trainer in WWI, the Curtiss JN-4D Jenny proved far more reliable and popular as a trainer with its relatively reliable 90HP OX-5 engine. The Standard J-1 eventually got the OX-5 engine installed, but too late in WWI to be equal to or better than the Jenny. I understand that the J-1 was easier and nicer to fly than the Jenny, especially with the Hisso engine installed.

"Steering Problems?"

Well, one source regarding the J-1 states "Most often an enlarged rudder was employed on OX-5 jobs to prevent sluggish turns." It also employed more powerful engines like the fine Hispano-Suiza 150/220HP engine. Barnstormers loved those versions for obvious money making reasons - 2 passengers could be hauled vs the 1 passenger Jenny!

Fine examples of enlarged rudder "Hisso" Standards are found with these Standard J-1s once owned by Tallmantz Aviation (MOVIELAND OF THE AIR), and were used in several famous movies:

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf92521f0.jpg

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps9d3f5adf.jpg

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps1671c40f.jpg

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Best friends Charles Lindbergh and Bud Gurney together in the "old days" shortly after taking their FIRST airplane ride together with Otto Timm piloting in this Standard J-1 back in 1922. Could they begin to imagine then what aviation futures lay ahead for them?

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...pse09360ee.jpg

(BTW, Bud "Gurni" Gurney (on right) gave me my first flying lessons in his 1927 Gipsy Moth back in 1964!)

Again, any help would be much appreciated, especially from you present-day Standard J-1 owners/restorers!

Gary Sewall
garysewall@aol.com
Gipsy Moth | Home

Hi Gary,
I am a big fan of the Standard J-1 especially after seeing The Great Waldo Pepper on the big screen...the cinematography made the movie, but the Standard had a majesty all its own. As Frank Tallman quipped, it looked like they took a bicycle pump to a Jenny. :) Seeing The Spirit of St. Louis on AMC was also a treat, with all that barnstormer stuff...thanks for posting those pics!

I would definitely be interested in a set of plans...

I am not sure if Kermit Weeks got the Tallmantz J-1 used in Waldo Pepper (or did they use two of them) but he has one hanging from the ceiling at the Fantasy of Flight. It does have an OX-5 and the larger area rudder, which was very obvious in Waldo Pepper. Somewhere I have photos of it.

Thanks, Lyle

Hi Lyle. I'll keep you posted on the J-1 drawing progress. Meanwhile, these "Great Waldo Pepper" movie stills certainly say it all for shear inspiration:

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...psf30fd137.jpg

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps92063c3a.jpg

I really appreciate those Aerodrome Forum members here who have helped contribute J-1 research material for my upcoming drawings.

Gary Sewall
garysewall@aol.com
www.gipsymoth.com

Hi Gary,
Thanks for the shots of Waldo's J-1 doing its thing--
Here is the Standard hanging from the rafters in Kermit Weeks' hangar at Fantasy of Flight--the 2nd floor balcony comes right up to the plane so it's possible to get in close to the engine, something that can't be done if the plane were on the ground.
Lyle

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I meant to say because it's high up, you can look down into the engine compartment and see things not usually seen except if you have a stepladder! :)