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Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge # 943
Bonsoir
The new one : GOOD LUCK RIchard http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/6289/90660913.jpg Previous challenges :Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* -- SCOREBOARD at the end of No 942, Albatros WDD seaplane. 153.40 Varese2002 ¤¤¤ 128.20 Dave_Kent ¤¤ 115.20 Rbailey ¤¤ 53.00 richard B ¤ :cheers: 38.00 Aquilius ¤ 33.55 Lodzermensch ¤ 33.30 Cruze ¤ 25.40 YavorD 22.55 Froggy 16.90 Flamingo 14.80 Rod Filan 13.00 Breguet 10.45 GregE 10.30 Patrick 09.70 Dan-San 09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 09.50 matte_kudasai 09.20 Rufe 08.50 Tork1945 08.40 JohnMacG 07.70 EdStevens 07.60 trp81 07.10 Colin A. Owers 07.25 Ermeio 06.90 Doc 06.70 Ampovandak 06.70 Berman 06.30 HoHun 06.10 joegertler 06.00 Eric Goedkoop 06.00 Sobrien 05.70 AROTH 05.70 dpolglaze 05.60 ercoupepilot 05.30 Crimso 05.30 Der Grüne Flieger 05.20 Gilles 05.20 Maze 05.10 bshatzer 05.00 AL FORBES 05.00 Old Man 05.00 SCMc 05.00 Tom L......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours 04.50 '14-'18aviationcollector....... At and below this line, may start immediately 04.40 Ross Moorhouse 04.30 edmondthieffry 04.00 greenknight 04.00 John McKenzie 04.00 kristjanr 04.00 Luf-Rick 03.90 Brad 03.00 Catfish 03.00 Linhawk 02.50 Gregoire 02.50 Rexee 02.30 ckingh5 02.10 Crankcase 02.00 albatros1234 02.00 austin08 02.00 Lupodimontenero 02.00 Misa2 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.70 Kilian 01.60 airplane176 01.60 sergio_vitalio 01.50 Albatros_Ace 01.30 Cigogne 01.20 Ransom E. Olds 01.00 Cliff 01.00 cubsfan4life 01.00 gregorydquist 01.00 Mike Westrop 01.00 paolomiana 01.00 Peter Zambori 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 SL DIII 01.00 Tripehound 00.90 Stig Jarlevik 00.80 Machinbird 00.80 Mad Mac 00.80 RobW 00.80 tbstreet 00.80 toxisch 00.60 Sreiko 00.50 Douglas7 00.50 Martin Irvine 00.40 Johnnick 00.40 Vilkata 00.30 albapfalzd30 00.30 Miroslav Pokorny 00.30 Nieuport14 The rules: 1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......" 2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. 3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster. 4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference). 5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's -Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !) and the poster re-post within the same thread, the 12hours handicap beginning from that point. 6. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted. 7. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer. 8. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification. 9. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge. 10. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. 11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET |
Hmmm... isn't that Randy Rupert's second cousin? :D
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As I suspected, it's Rupert's Austro-Hungarian cousin and the 1913 Jane's confirms that this is an Austro-Hungarian MANNSBARTH. Non-rigid (1911).
Maximum length, ? feet (? m.) maximum diameter, ? feet (? m.) volume, 289,600 c. feet (8,200 m³.) Total lift.— lbs. ( kgs.) Useful lift, lbs. ( kgs.) Gas bags.—Divided into 4 compartments. Ballonet in each. Motors.—2 of 150 h.p. each (= 300 h.p.) Speed.—40 m.p.h. (65 k.p.h.) Propellers.—3. Diameter, 13 feet (4 m.) Also 1 helice. Steering.—Helice used as elevator. Rudder aft. Forward and after ballonets also used as elevators, Parseval style. Completed 1911. Remarks.—Built for Government, but not taken over. The Project Gutenberg eBook of Jane's All The World's Aircraft 1913, Edited by Fred T. Jane (Scroll down a bit) |
Bonsoir
Great ! it's right , congratulation ! now you are an ace :)and have to wait 12 hrs before answering:(...: The Stagl-Mannsbarth flown 56 times from 1911 to 1914. 2x150hp austro-Daimler engines . 91 m length , diameter 12.7 m , , 8100 m3 . The #944 is for you Richard SCOREBOARD at the end of No 942, Albatros WDD seaplane. 153.40 Varese2002 ¤¤¤ 128.20 Dave_Kent ¤¤ 115.20 Rbailey ¤¤ 53.00 richard B ¤ :cheers: 38.00 Aquilius ¤ 33.55 Lodzermensch ¤ 33.30 Cruze ¤ 25.40 YavorD 22.55 Froggy 16.90 Flamingo 14.80 Rod Filan 13.00 Breguet 10.45 GregE 10.30 Patrick 09.70 Dan-San 09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 09.50 matte_kudasai 09.20 Rufe 08.50 Tork1945 08.40 JohnMacG 07.70 EdStevens 07.60 trp81 07.10 Colin A. Owers 07.25 Ermeio 06.90 Doc 06.70 Ampovandak 06.70 Berman 06.30 HoHun 06.10 joegertler 06.00 Eric Goedkoop 06.00 Sobrien 05.70 AROTH 05.70 dpolglaze 05.60 ercoupepilot 05.30 Crimso 05.30 Der Grüne Flieger 05.20 Gilles 05.20 Maze 05.10 bshatzer 05.00 AL FORBES 05.00 Kristjanr 05.00 Old Man 05.00 SCMc 05.00 Tom L......................... At and above this line, have to wait 12 hours 04.50 '14-'18aviationcollector....... At and below this line, may start immediately 04.40 Ross Moorhouse 04.30 edmondthieffry 04.00 greenknight 04.00 John McKenzie 04.00 Luf-Rick 03.90 Brad 03.00 Catfish 03.00 Linhawk 02.50 Gregoire 02.50 Rexee 02.30 ckingh5 02.10 Crankcase 02.00 albatros1234 02.00 austin08 02.00 Lupodimontenero 02.00 Misa2 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.70 Kilian 01.60 airplane176 01.60 sergio_vitalio 01.50 Albatros_Ace 01.30 Cigogne 01.20 Ransom E. Olds 01.00 Cliff 01.00 cubsfan4life 01.00 gregorydquist 01.00 Mike Westrop 01.00 paolomiana 01.00 Peter Zambori 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 SL DIII 01.00 Tripehound 00.90 Stig Jarlevik 00.80 Machinbird 00.80 Mad Mac 00.80 RobW 00.80 tbstreet 00.80 toxisch 00.60 Sreiko 00.50 Douglas7 00.50 Martin Irvine 00.40 Johnnick 00.40 Vilkata 00.30 albapfalzd30 00.30 Miroslav Pokorny 00.30 Nieuport14 |
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Neither of you guys got it entirely right ... The name given to the Stagl-Mannsbarth airship was AUSTRIA http://www.earlyaeroplanes.com/archi...ustria_jpl.jpg Cheers |
Bonjour .
Interesting because my source ( " Luftfahrtzeugbau in Österreich " by the well known austrian author Reinhard Keimel ) don't give any name to the " LUFTSCHIFF STAGL-MANNSBARTH 1911 " neither in its description of the airship nor in its rather detailed biography of the Oberstleutnant Franz Mannsbarth ( 1877-1950 ) The only " Austria " in the index is a non-dirigible built in 1910 for the austrian Aero-Club .... Cheers Richard |
Perhaps the name never caught on - or was simply forgotten. Ladislas D'Orcy has it listed as such: D'Orcy's Airship Manual - Stagl & Mannsbarth, Vienna
It appears the gondola was originally enclosed (a photograph taken on 10 Juni 1911 shows this clearly), then at some point in time this was painted with a large AUSTRIA spanning the arch. The photo in my above post is the only one I know of that shows this moniker. Soon after - as photographed 2 November 1911 at Wiener Neustadt - the fabric covering was dispensed with and only the ballonet tubes running the length of the open framework are to be seen. Or, just as likely I suppose, the canvases were reattached and lettered later on. The apparatus must have been quite complicated to operate in that it had lifting planes, a rudder, swiveling propellers fore and aft, and four(!) ballonets. I've read it was difficult to control (turn?) and for that reason not accepted by the military. However I don't entirely trust the source of this opinion and the Stagl-Mannsbarth's accomplished record tends to otherwise put it in the column of successes. I'm curious- did it in fact ever take part in acceptance trials or was it always intended to remain an excursion sight-seeing airship? D'Orcy notes Austria's best endurance as 8 1/4 hrs. This was on October 14, 1911 - a flight made with 8 people on board. Cheers |
Another use of the name "Austria" can be found in a biography on film-maker Erich Pommer, who early in his career, made feature films using aerial footage.
Erich Pommer: ein Produzent macht Filmgeschichte. [Erich Pommer: A Producer Makes Film History] Wolfgang Jacobsen, Jörg Schöning, Rudolf Arnheim. 1989.Furthermore, Deutsche Rundschau: Volume 157. Gebrüder Paetel, 1913.And again; which also gives us an indication of the intent of the owners. Luftschiffe und Luftschiffahrt. Jürgen Eichler, 1993. Cheers |
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