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Breguet;s Aircraft ID Challenge # 886
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Sorry for the delay, busy with the Scouts.
For your consideration. Dave Score at the end of Challenge #885: Grahame-White Type XV 152.40 Varese2002 ¤¤ 121.20 Dave_Kent ¤¤ 106.00 Rbailey ¤ 44.40 richard B ¤ 33.30 Cruze ¤ 31.25 Aquilius ¤ 29.55 Lodzermensch ¤ 24.40 YavorD 22.55 Froggy 16.90 Flamingo 14.80 Rod Filan 12.00 Breguet 10.45 GregE 10.30 Patrick 09.70 Dan-San 09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 09.50 matte_kudasai 08.40 JohnMacG 07.70 EdStevens 07.60 trp81 07.10 Colin A. Owers 07.25 Ermeio 06.70 Ampovandak 06.70 Berman 06.30 HoHun 06.10 joegertler 06.00 Eric Goedkoop 05.90 Doc 05.70 AROTH 05.70 dpolglaze 05.60 ercoupepilot 05.30 Crimso 05.30 Der Grüne Flieger 05.20 Maze 05.20 Gilles 05.10 bshatzer 05.00 Old Man 05.00 Tom L 05.00 sobrien .......................... have to wait 12 hours 04.75 SCMc ............................ may start immediately 04.40 Ross Moorhouse 04.30 edmondthieffry 04.20 Rufe 04.00 AL FORBES 04.00 greenknight 04.00 John McKenzie 04.00 Luf-Rick 03.90 Brad 03.50 '14-'18aviationcollector 03.00 Catfish 03.00 Linhawk 02.50 Gregoire 02.50 Rexee 02.30 ckingh5 02.10 Crankcase 02.00 albatros1234 02.00 austin08 02.00 Lupodimontenero 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.70 Kilian 01.60 airplane176 01.60 sergio_vitalio 01.50 Albatros_Ace 01.30 Cigogne 01.20 Ransom E. Olds 01.00 Cliff 01.00 cubsfan4life 01.00 gregorydquist 01.00 Mike Westorp 01.00 Misa2 * 01.00 paolomiana 01.00 Peter Zambori 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 SL DIII 01.00 Tripehound 00.90 Stig Jarlevik 00.80 Machinbird 00.80 Mad Mac 00.80 tbstreet 00.80 toxisch 00.60 Sreiko 00.50 Douglas7 00.50 Martin Irvine 00.40 Vilkata 00.30 albapfalzd30 00.30 Miroslav Pokorny 00.30 Nieuport14 00.20 Paul_J._Fisher Previous: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* -- Rules: 1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #......" 2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread. 3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster. 4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference). 5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified (always check the list at Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's -Aircraft Challenge* -- when in doubt !). 6. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted. 7. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer. 8. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification. 9. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge. 10. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge. 11. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules is BREGUET. |
It looks like Curtiss model F, without an engine. Identified by aileron linkage and fin shape.
Cheers, Misa :) |
This is not a Curtiss. The machine is the final of 3 designs built by the individual, and was a development or redesign of his first. It dates from 1916.
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Douglas7
Girigorovich M-9?
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This is not a product of Russia, or of a well known maker. I think he made 3 machines in total.
Dave |
Harry Jones in 1916 produced a "rakish redesign of his 1914 flying boat". This could be called rakish, I suppose.
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"Rakish" enough to get you a point & 887!
Dave Score at the end of Challenge #886: Harry Jones 1916 Flying Boat 152.40 Varese2002 ¤¤ 121.20 Dave_Kent ¤¤ 107.00 Rbailey ¤ 44.40 richard B ¤ 33.30 Cruze ¤ 31.25 Aquilius ¤ 29.55 Lodzermensch ¤ 24.40 YavorD 22.55 Froggy 16.90 Flamingo 14.80 Rod Filan 12.00 Breguet 10.45 GregE 10.30 Patrick 09.70 Dan-San 09.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger 09.50 matte_kudasai 08.40 JohnMacG 07.70 EdStevens 07.60 trp81 07.10 Colin A. Owers 07.25 Ermeio 06.70 Ampovandak 06.70 Berman 06.30 HoHun 06.10 joegertler 06.00 Eric Goedkoop 05.90 Doc 05.70 AROTH 05.70 dpolglaze 05.60 ercoupepilot 05.30 Crimso 05.30 Der Grüne Flieger 05.20 Maze 05.20 Gilles 05.10 bshatzer 05.00 Old Man 05.00 Tom L 05.00 sobrien .......................... have to wait 12 hours 04.75 SCMc ............................ may start immediately 04.40 Ross Moorhouse 04.30 edmondthieffry 04.20 Rufe 04.00 AL FORBES 04.00 greenknight 04.00 John McKenzie 04.00 Luf-Rick 03.90 Brad 03.50 '14-'18aviationcollector 03.00 Catfish 03.00 Linhawk 02.50 Gregoire 02.50 Rexee 02.30 ckingh5 02.10 Crankcase 02.00 albatros1234 02.00 austin08 02.00 Lupodimontenero 02.00 Rickenbaron 01.70 Kilian 01.60 airplane176 01.60 sergio_vitalio 01.50 Albatros_Ace 01.30 Cigogne 01.20 Ransom E. Olds 01.00 Cliff 01.00 cubsfan4life 01.00 gregorydquist 01.00 Mike Westorp 01.00 Misa2 * 01.00 paolomiana 01.00 Peter Zambori 01.00 rammjaeger 01.00 SL DIII 01.00 Tripehound 00.90 Stig Jarlevik 00.80 Machinbird 00.80 Mad Mac 00.80 tbstreet 00.80 toxisch 00.60 Sreiko 00.50 Douglas7 00.50 Martin Irvine 00.40 Vilkata 00.30 albapfalzd30 00.30 Miroslav Pokorny 00.30 Nieuport14 00.20 Paul_J._Fisher |
Just a small addendum to the flying boats of Harry Jones.
It is given for the first flying boat (built in 1914) of Harry Jones that ....This hydro-aeroplane was constructed at the B Stephens Boat Yard on New York Avenue in Providence.This is the firm that later formed - as a subsidiary - the Stephens Aeroplane Company and (unofficially) as the B. Stephens & Son Co. The single design of the Stephens company of 1915 (the subject of Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #876), has a remarkable design similarity with the machine(s) of Jones, for instance the choice for the rare three-bladed propeller and the very low rudder form. It is obvious that Harry Jones was located in Providence Rhode Island and the Stephens Aeroplane Company ...... in Providence RI. Kees |
As I could not comprehend 'rakish' I looked it up in the Free Dictionary, which gives
So in context it says that this flying boat has sporty lines, suggestive of speed :) Looking closely at it I cannot see much difference in the boathull comparing to other contemporary boats. Special is the low profile rudder, as already mentioned also characteristic of the Stephens 1915 flying boat. Kees |
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