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Froggy 24 June 2009 10:28 AM

Breguet's aircraft ID #599
 
Bonsoir ŕ tous

Here is a new one , the last before the #600!!
not evident to find a model that has not already been posted
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...NO/BC599-1.jpg

Cordialement
Bruno

Scoreboard at the start of Challenge #599

110.80 Varese2002 ☼
78.20 Dave_Kent ☼
66.20 Rbailey ☼
33.30 Cruze☼
18.70 YavorD
18.65 Froggy
17.70 Aquilius
15.20 richard B
14.20 Flamingo
13.30 Rod Filan
11.90 Lodzermensch
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
03.70 Rufe
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Brad
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Mad Mac
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

THE RULES

1. The thread title must be "Bréguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The completed aircraft must have been either; designed, built or have left the ground during the '14-'18 period and be identifiable by the poster.
4. The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
5. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
6. (always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
7. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
8. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
9. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
10. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
11. If an ace gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
12. The final arbiter in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet
.

Previous Challenges: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

Breguet 24 June 2009 10:26 PM

Looks a bit American to me. Especially round the nose. How about a Thomas Tractor Biplane?

Froggy 25 June 2009 03:00 AM

Hello

Sorry Breguet not a Thomas
and not an american plane ... although it has to do with the USA...

Bruno

Breguet 26 June 2009 07:32 PM

Didn't the Spannish have some aircraft with Curtiss influence? Those with better libaries than me should perhaps look around.

Froggy 27 June 2009 12:08 AM

Bonjour ŕ tous
Hello Breguet

I have the impression that this challenge does not passionate crowds:unsure:

I did not think it was hard to find the name of that plane
Here is second clue: The designer is a well known USA pilot of pre-war period
but the manufacturer was British and he flew only in England

Cordialement
Bruno

Varese2002 27 June 2009 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Froggy (Post 443401)
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I have the impression that this challenge does not passionate crowds:unsure:

I did not think it was hard to find the name of that plane
Here is second clue: The designer is a well known USA pilot of pre-war period
but the manufacturer was British and he flew only in England

Cordialement
Bruno

Passion enough, but you picked a little known one I think :). This is the Beatty Biplane designed by the US pre-war pilot G.W. Beatty, who built this plane for his own flying school - The Beatty School of Flying. On the picture is the second version, where the machine with a four-cylinder inline engine (also by Beatty).

To recognize the machine. A very plain single biplane tractor, with flat sided fuselage and fully covered inline engine. Two-bay, no stagger, V-type undercarriage. All very plain.

Cheers

Kees

Froggy 27 June 2009 02:21 AM

Bonjour

Kees I'm glad it is you who has found the solution for this challenge
so you'lll have the honour to post the # 600 :thumbsup

The photo show the ultime version with a 60 HP Beatty engine
a photo with Anzani engine can be seen in the JM Bruce 'book
"BRITISH AEROPLANES 1914-18"
This aircraft was built in only one exemplar and it finished his career in an accident destroyed the aircraft , killing the pilot Stanley Cownie and terminating the existence of the flying school which Beatty founded in 1916

George W. Beatty

So
Correct Answer for # 599:

Beatty Biplane
34 hp anzani later 60 HP beatty
manufacturer:The beatty School of Flying London

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #599
111.80 Varese2002 ☼

78.20 Dave_Kent ☼
66.20 Rbailey ☼
33.30 Cruze☼
18.70 YavorD
18.65 Froggy
17.70 Aquilius
15.20 richard B
14.20 Flamingo
13.30 Rod Filan
11.90 Lodzermensch
09.50 matte_kudasai
08.40 JohnMacG
08.10 Breguet
07.70 Dan-San
07.70 EdStevens
07.60 trp81
07.30 Patrick
07.10 Colin A. Owers
06.70 Ampovandak
06.10 joegertler
06.00 Eric Goedkoop
05.70 Doc
05.70 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
05.70 AROTH
05.60 ercoupepilot
05.45 GregE
05.30 Crimso
05.30 Der Grüne Flieger
05.20 Gilles
05.10 bshatzer
05.00 Tom L..........................have to wait 12 hours

04.70 dpolglaze........................ may start immediately
04.40 Ross Moorhouse
04.30 edmondthieffry
04.00 greenknight
03.70 Berman
03.70 Rufe
02.50 Gregoire
02.50 Rexee
02.10 Crankcase
02.00 austin08
02.00 Brad
02.00 Rickenbaron
02.00 sobrien
01.70 Kilian
01.60 sergio_vitalio
01.50 Albatros_Ace
01.30 Cigogne
01.20 Ransom E. Olds
01.00 airplane176
01.00 Catfish
01.00 Cliff
01.00 cubsfan4life
01.00 gregorydquist
01.00 Luf-Rick
01.00 Mike Westorp
01.00 paolomiana
01.00 Peter Zambori
01.00 rammjaeger
01.00 SL DIII
01.00 Tripehound
00.80 Machinbird
00.80 tbstreet
00.80 toxisch
00.60 Sreiko
00.50 ’14-‘18aviationcollector
00.50 Martin Irvine
00.40 Vilkata
00.30 albapfalzd30
00.30 Mad Mac
00.30 Miroslav Pokorny
00.30 Nieuport14
00.20 Paul_J._Fisher

At your turn Kees for the 'emblematic '#600

I am sure you will find for us a new sole exemplar built rarity as we like:)

Cordialement
Bruno

Varese2002 27 June 2009 03:08 AM

#600 will be a special jigsaw puzzle presented by Breguet. Will be a lot of fun :thumbsup:

Cheers

Kees

YavorD 27 June 2009 05:03 AM

Hi!
Just a note: Flight, 10 December 1915, page 973, names Mr. E. Boyle as a designer of the Beatty tractor:
Quote:

In addition to these alterations to the little Beatty-Wright pusher the parts for the new Beatty tractor, for the design of which I understand Mr. E. Boyle is responsible, are coming along. Judging from the general arrangement drawings and from the detail working drawings, this little machine should make a very good "ticket" 'bus, it being hoped that she will do over 50 m.p.h. although only fitted with a 35 h.p. "Y" type Anzani engine. The fuselage is of a fairly good streamline form, and as the chassis is of the simple "Vee" type there should not be a great deal of head resistance. Moreover, at the higher speed possible with such a small, light, fuselage tractor biplane the engine will probably be better cooled and therefore stand up to the work quite satisfactorily. It has always been a source of marvel to me that the "Y" type Anzanis run so well as they undoubtedly do on school machines, being continually taxied across the ground for long periods and necessarily getting insufficient cooling. Apart from the interest attaching to the new Beatty biplane aerodynamically, some of the fittings are very ingenious in their simplicity and would seem to be admirably suited for a school machine in which first cost and upkeep should be kept as low as possible.
Also Flight, October 25, 1917, page 1111
Quote:

On October 15th at an inquest on S. G. Cownie, who was killed while flying on October 13th, evidence was given that at a height of about 500 ft. the machine commenced to spin, the pilot failing to realise that he was at such a low altitude. The machine crashed to the ground. Mr. G. W. Beatty said the deceased was an experienced pilot instructor, but this was the first time he had attempted a spin. Witness had advised him that before doing so his machine should be at a considerable height, so as to allow for a nose-dive afterwards. He thought there was an error of judgment. The jury returned a verdict of "Accidental Death."
Regards,
Yavor


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