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Von Sacchio 11 March 2007 09:14 PM

Sopwith Camel Camouflage
 
Hi everyone!!

I'm building a Sopwith Camel and i'd like to ask you guys some questions.

I have read that usually the airplanes's undersufaces (wings and tailplane) were left unpainted with the traditional Clear Doped Linen finish....but.....what about the fuselage???. WindSock Datafile says "many airplanes" had fuselage undersurfaces painted in PC10/PC12, but how to know for sure??.....was there some rule about it??

Thank you guys and i'll really apreciate any help in this topic...

Romani 12 March 2007 04:46 AM

Greetings Von Sacchio

As in many things, the answer is "it depends". Unfortunately the underside of the fuselage is an area that seldom if ever is visible in photographs and being shadowed looks dark anyway:(

After careful examination of many photographs and WWI surviving aircraft in British museums, plus research on the background and application of WWI, my totally unprofessional opinion as an amateur with too much time in his hands is that if there's a rule, it is that CDL finish on the fuselage was the norm not the exception.

Though I forgot to crawl underneath the airplanes to take photos of the undersides to answer this vexing question, the photos I took last year might be of use, at least in the Camel case, you can view them at my site

http://community.webshots.com/user/Capitan_Contreras

There's no known reason why the fuselage underside should be painted in PC10, and I am wondering if the restorations/replicas wich are painted so are just not a misinterpretation of black/white photos. Then again maybe somebody could find a photo of a crashed British airplane showing the underside painted to clear the doubt.


The only reason for painting it would be to hide oil and exhaust stains from the engine flowing backwards in the airstream, this makes the belly of a SE5 look grimy, and in a rotary engined airplane such as the Camel would be downright messy. It has been suggested that paiting of this area, aside from aesthetics, must have been neccesary to protect the fabric dope from being attacked by the oil. I don't know if castor oil affects dope, I think that the unburnt petrol coming out of a rotary would be more likely to damage it, being a powerful solvent, but come to think, this is confusing cause and effect.

I think that the repeated cleaning, scrubbing and or scraping of the oil deposits on the belly would have resulted in the need to repair the finish, wich should have been done with just clear dope, but in the field PC10/12 pigmented varnish must have been more readily available.


That being said, it must be noted that in the Camel at least, there's a metal (aluminium presumably) plate riveted/screwed/nailed to the belly of the airplane just behind the engine opening, with the intention of protecting the fabric from the aforementioned deposits, and making cleanup much easier. This plate as far as I can tell and reason would be left unpainted.


Back to the photos of the British museums. The 2F1 Camel at the IWM has the fuselage unpainted, the one at Hendon is painted, but in both cases, the metal plate is left unpainted.


My reasoning is that at a time of PC10 pigment shortages were the engine cowlings and metal panels in Camels were left unpainted, or painted in grey, it makes no sense that PC10 would be wasted in painting the belly, remember wood surfaces were also left unpainted or painted in standard khaki.

So in closing, in most cases I would go for a CDL finish on the belly, if the machine has the engine cowling unpainted such as the one in Hendon, then it must be definitely in CDL. All others your call.

Romani 12 March 2007 05:23 AM

Follow up:

Since I am not an expert in paints, I don't know what are the interactions between castor oil and doped surfaces, but I found this in Munson's book Fighters 1914-19 , in the Appendix by Ian Huntley, page 176


Quote:

Up to 1917 was made only of doping schemes that employed a first coating of clear shrinking dop, followed by a protective covering of pigmented varnish medium (a cellulose material with a similar base to clear dope but with its shrinking properties counteracted by the addition of a proportion of castor oil)
I still think the abrassion of scraping the oil stains, and the probable use of petrol as a solvent to remove it would damage CDL, but perhaps the castor oil in itself affected the dope as well.

By the way, this thread should be moved to the Camouflage and markings section.


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